MUSIC FEEDS: INTERVIEW W/ BEN MICHAEL X

Now on their fifth album, entitled Dark Magic, Melbourne’s Sand Pebbles are a band whose members span almost all of the period of rock and roll’s expansion, with a member born in every decade of the genre’s heyday, from the 50s to the 90s . This smorgasbord of generations within the band has informed their work on the new record, which sees the band fusing together their various voices and influences to craft an album that speaks across the full stretch of rock and roll, having recruited the likes of Galaxie 500′s Dean Wareham and Britta Phillips, Tim Holmes from Death In Vegas, Will Carruthers from Spaceman 3 and Spiritualized, even Malcolm McDowell.
MF: So, there are some pretty impressive names on the record; how did you get all these great people involved?
SP: Our Drummer and twenty-year-old dynamo Wes went on a wild trip overseas armed only with a 7 inch vinyl we’d made. He ended up at a bunch of parties and gave it out to some of our musical heroes and they, in turn, offered to do some mixing. It has given the album a sonic edge. Playing with people you admire is one of music’s true joys.
MF: It seems that collaboration was central to this album, both between individual members of the band as well as the various collaborators you brought in; can you tell me about that?
SP: Alfred Hitchcock would have a film in his head, everything worked out, and he’d make sure it came out just like that. Francis Ford Coppola gets a bunch of creative people together and goes on a trip. Many minds make light work (better). While I dig both of my fatties, I’ll take The Conversation over Rope any day.
MF: The theme to this was, and stop me if I’m wrong, to try and draw from the collective experience of the band members to present a sort of slide show of the history of rock ‘n’ roll, more in terms of drawing inspiration rather than blatant imitation. Can you tell me how yoU think that came out in the music as well as how you came to try such a task?
SP: It just happens naturally; we’re all at such different stages of our lives. It’s one of the keys to the band. Some of us are tripping, some changing nappies, some awaiting grandchildren. That has to come out when you play. And we’re the better for it.
MF: How did the writing process work with this album? Did you all bring in ideas individually and work on them together or were all the ideas work-shopped as a group from the ground up?
Spring Time was a real group effort. The others are more a band member bringing in an idea type situation. That said, we all share writing credits, which is as it should be. A beautiful guitar solo is as important as the lyrics. A drum beat as cool as a melody. Let’s be honest, singer songwriters are kinda square. It feels very old fashioned. Everything changes, everything can be made better.
MF: How would you say this album compares to your earlier work?
SP: Every album has its charm, and they are all very different: different personel; different moods in the band at the time. I think it feels like a Sand Pebbles’ album but with a softer side showing. It’s more concise. Like a stock: boiled down to is essence. It compares wonderfully. But I think all our records, with the exception of our debut, are brilliant. The debut is just plain old great.
MF: You’re about to set out on tour; are you guys a band who loves touring or who tolerates it?
SP: We’ve never really done it, so who knows. We are a band insanely dedicated to the music with pretty much zero dedication to pushing ourselves; it seems kinda tawdry. But that said, it may be time to spread the word a little further. One thing’s for sure, it’s going to be an adventure; and life without adventure isn’t life at all.
MF: With the live show do you set out to recreate the album or offer something different?
SP: No. Never! A live show is a one off, in the moment, thing. It must be a roller coaster. It should always feel like it’s about to come off the rails. Tension. Bands who sound like records are actually evil and against nature. We are naturists. The natural state of being is unpredictable. Live shows should capture that feeling.
Sand Pebbles 2011/2012 Tour Dates
Friday 2 December - The Front Canberra (album launch), with The Sun Blindness
Saturday 3 December – Goodgod Sydney (album launch), with The Sun Blindness & Astral Kaleidoscope
Friday 9 December – Byron Bay Brewery, Byron Bay (album launch), with Black Cab and The Windy Hills
Saturday 10 December - Eight Miles High Festival Brisbane, The Zoo, with Black Cab, Richard In Your Mind + more
Saturday 17 December – Grand Pooh Bar, Hobart (album launch), with Hey Mook!
Friday 23 December – The Espy Front Bar, Melbourne, with Matt Sonic and The High Times, Buried Feather + more
Friday 6 January 2012 - The Nash, Geelong, with Black Cab
EchoNetDaily: Interview w/ Ben Michael X - 07.12.2011
EchonetDaily
Sand Pebbles roll our way
To coincide with their forthcoming tour, Sand Pebbles have released their second single, the Hell Broth & Bubble remix version of single Dark Magic. The wait is almost over for interstate punters. These Melbourne flower-punk luminaries will embark on a national tour next month to launch their acclaimed new album Dark Magic in Canberra, Sydney, Byron Bay, Brisbane and Hobart.
On the back of supporting Galaxie 500 frontman Dean Wareham, the Sand Pebbles launched Dark Magic in Melbourne not once, but twice due to popular demand. Out now on Dot Dash / Remote Control, Dark Magic is Sand Pebbles’ fifth studio album and features contributions from Dean Wareham himself, along with Britta Phillips (Luna), Tim Holmes (Death In Vegas), Will Carruthers (Spacemen 3, Spiritualized) and Malcolm McDowell.
When Wes Holland joined the Sand Pebbles a couple of years ago at the age of 18, Andrew Tanner had just turned 50. The band quickly realised they ran a unique age gamut: a member born in each decade in the history of rock ’n’ roll – 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Far from disowning this unique fact, they decided to use it to inform their next album. The result, Dark Magic, speaks from many minds and many times. It’s hypnotic, cosmic, kinetic and freewheeling.
The Sand Pebbles are singer-guitarist Tor Larsen, guitarist Ben Michael, bassist Christopher Hollow, singer-guitarist Andrew Tanner and drummer Wes Holland.
Sand Pebbles’ founder/guitarist Ben Michael X answers a few pertinent questions…
Sand Pebbles are… An Australian underground band that combines the freak elements of true psych rock with the intensity of post-punk and the blissful transcendent drones of shoegaze. We are flower punks.
We take inspiration from… Harold and Maude. The Tree Of Life and Thin Red Line and Days Of Heaven and Badlands. Hemingway. Sam Peckinpah, Breaking Bad. Mid-60s suits. Faye Dunaway. Fast Times At Ridgmont High, camping in the desert, BMX, surfing, West Indian cricket team of the 70s and 80s, Joseph Campbell and the power of myths (we are trickster gods in case you’re wondering), Spacemen 3, disco, Deliverance (book and film) and the new dried mushroom caps that are floating around.
Our new album is… Dark Magic. Folk beauty, angry guitar, a sense of losing your head and doing something stupid. The perfect soundtrack to summer.
It might surprise people to learn that… We range in age from 21 to 52.
You should catch us on our forthcoming Australian tour because… We are an incredible live band who understand how to jam with intent. Through the beauty of repetition you will transcend. You will float and you will open your eyes at the end of the show and suddenly realise you’ve been on an incredible trip, time has stood still and your life has changed. Sand Pebbles are a good trips band.
Listen to the new single… Dark Magic (The Hell-Broth & Bubble single mix) http://blogrc.remotecontrolrecords.com.au/2011/11/stream-sand-pebbles-new-single-dark.html
The Sand Pebbles play the Byron Brewery on Friday with special guests Black Cab and locals The Windy Hills, with surf film projections by Andrew Kidman.
THE CANBERRA TIMES: INTERVIEW W/ BEN MICHAEL X - 1.12.2011
The Dark Magic of Sand Pebbles
”I was wandering around with all these TV people who in general don’t have great taste,” explains guitarist Ben Michael, who was working as an in-house scriptwriter for the show at the time. ”I bumped into this guy, Chris, and we started talking about the 13th Floor Elevators and the Velvets and the Stooges. Then he got in contact with me and said, ‘You should get off your arse and start playing’.”
Before forming the band, Michael and bassist Chris Hollow entertained themselves by dropping obscure musical references into the show’s dialogue.
”A lot of the characters names were taken from underground music heroes and I certainly had characters playing records that, ordinarily, there’s no way they’d be playing,” Michael chuckles. ”A funny one was Mogwai. About 10 years ago on Mogwai’s first Australian tour … they played this absolutely ball-tearing show and came backstage and we’re mouths agog going, ‘My god, that was great!’ and they couldn’t give a shit about the show they just played, all they wanted to do was talk about Neighbours - ‘Imagine if we could be on Neighbours!’ I said, ‘I’ll definitely get your name on the show’. ”Pretty soon after, one of the characters is going, ‘Oh, I just got this great new album by Mogwai’ and the next thing you know the post rocks up with 10 T-shirts delivered to me from their manager. You get your kicks where you can in TV.”
Over the past decade, Michael and Hollow have assembled a motley crew of musicians around them, including a Spinal Tap-esque succession of drummers. The current line-up includes 50-year-old guitarist Andrew Tanner, 27-year-old guitarist Tor Larsen (”the fan who used to come up to us after shows”) and 20-year-old drummer Wes Holland.
Hollow discovered Holland busking on the street and, as the band was down a drummer and due to play a show that afternoon, drafted him in on the spot.
The Sand Pebbles recently released its fifth album Dark Magic, which Michael says was an attempt to strike a balance between the two previous records: 2008’s stripped-back Ceduna and the all-out experimentation of 2006’s Atlantis Regrets Nothing. ”Atlantis was completely insane with how many tracks we did,” he remembers. ”We went seriously crazy! We were putting microphones in coffee cups and recording the drums through that. I mean the record sounds fantastic, but it sent our engineer at the time off the deep end - he left the country soon after.”
For Dark Magic, the band enlisted an impressive array of collaborators. Long-time friends and supporters Dean Wareham of Galaxie 500 and Britta Phillips of Luna both contributed, while Tim Holmes of Death in Vegas mixed the lion’s share of the album and Will Carruthers of Spiritualized and Spacemen3 also reworked one of the tracks. ”Working with people who have had a profound influence on you - or just make your life better, basically - for them to respect what you’re doing and work with you is a real joy,” Michael says.
The Sand Pebbles
WITH: The Sunblindness
WHEN: Dec 2, 8pm
WHERE: The Front, Lyneham
TICKETS: At the door
Pics by Samara Clifford
Northcote Social Club, Dark Magic Album Launch.
September 24, 2011.
BEAT: INTERVIEW W/ CHRISTOPHER HOLLOW & BEN MICHAEL X, 21.09.11

Sand Pebbles
By Bruce Laird
The back-story of the Sand Pebbles is as colourful as the band’s music. Hanging out with Jeff Bridges in Los Angeles, pulling down screamers at the MCG, wandering through the forests with a mind full of fly agaric mushrooms, chewing the fat with surviving members of the Small Faces, writing scripts for television soap operas, even attending school with the enfant terrible of Internet libertarianism, Julian Assange - it all contributes to the total aesthetic experience that is the Sand Pebbles. Like a novel you can’t put down, there always seems to be another intriguing page in the Sand Pebbles story to explore.
It’s been two years since the last Sand Pebbles record, the A Thousand Wild Flowers compilation released at the instigation of Galaxie 500 and Luna protagonist Dean Wareham, and three years since the last Sand Pebbles studio album, Ceduna. In that time, the Sand Pebbles have found a new drummer, swapped jobs, given up vices and added to the members’ progeny. “I’ve had two kids, written a novel, gone through a lot of emotions … a lot of stuff’s happened,” bass player Chris Hollow says.
Having relocated to a surf beach near Ceduna on the west coast of South Australia for the band’s previous record, the Sand Pebbles opted for a more conventional location for Dark Magic. “Most of it came about through two sessions we did at Atlantis,” guitarist Ben Michael says. “It’s a really beautiful studio - maybe not to look at, but it’s got beautiful old analogue equipment.”
For most of the band, recording in a larger studio wasn’t particularly a significant event. “We’ve recorded on digital before, but I don’t think we’ve recorded to tape,” observes Hollow. “None of us were nervous in the big studio at the time, but [drummer] Wesley [Holland] – who was 19 at the time – was shitting himself!” Hollow says. “Funnily enough, the first song we did was Blue Eyes in Black and White, and he was really nervous on that song because it was the first time he’d recorded in a studio, but on the last song, Spring Time, he was really loose - but on the record, Spring Time is the first song, and Blue Eyes is the last,” Hollow says.
Sand Pebbles albums have a tendency to sound like composite pieces, rather than a disparate collection of songs, and Dark Magic is no exception. According to the band, however, any thematic musical consistency is subconscious at best. “We did the launch for the last album at the Toff a couple of years ago, and two of the songs on the new album are on that record, so we’ve had some of the songs for a while,” Michael says. “We had about five or six songs written going into the first session, and when you’ve got five or songs written, it’s time to think ‘time to start’, and the rest will take care of itself,” says Hollow.
The title of the album is taken from a track on the record, though could equally have been chosen as a statement on the music itself - not that Michael and Hollow necessarily agree. “Quite a few of the songs have a dark edge,” muses Michael. “And there’s quite a bit of magic on there,” adds Hollow. “I suppose we didn’t really name the album because of a theme or anything. There’s more a touch of folk on the record, so maybe it picks up on that.”
What isn’t subconscious is the demographic spread of the members of the Sand Pebbles’ membership. With the arrival of Holland on drums, it was quickly realised that the Sand Pebbles had members born in the 50s (Andrew Tanner), 60s (Ben Michael), 70s (Chris Hollow), 80s (Tor Larsen) and 90s (Holland). “I can say for me that because there’s all these other responsibilities, music is a really important part of my life - probably even more so,” Michael says. “And everyone’s at a completely different stage in their life, which I think is a really good thing,”
Holland’s ‘passion and drive’ led the band to benefiting from the mixing services of Tim Holmes (Death In Vegas) and Will Caruthers (Spaceman 3, Spiritualized), when he found himself with the opportunity to play both some Sand Pebbles music, which found immediate favour. “That was Wes’ great contribution to the record, getting those guys to do the mixes - and the mixes they came up with were fantastic, just found something we wouldn’t have,” Hollow says.
The contribution from Dean Wareham and Britta Phillips cements the relationship between the duo and the Sand Pebbles that began a few years ago when Hollow sent them a copy of the band’s second record, Ghost Transmissions. So when Wareham agreed to bring his Galaxie 500 celebratory tour to Australia, the Sand Pebbles was his first choice as support band. “He’s been involved for a couple of years, and he’s never let us down,” Hollow says. “We’re big Galaxie 500 and Luna fans, and he released those records when that sound wasn’t in vogue. And you go back and listen to them now, and they still hold up just as well.”
It was via a posting on Wareham’s blog last year that the latest curious Sand Pebbles fact leaked out when Wareham revealed that Hollow had attended the same high school as Julian Assange. “Julian and I are the same age, were in the same class,” Hollow explains. “He was just as mysterious and enigmatic then. He was big into the Lord of the Rings. Whenever he felt put upon by other students he would yell, ‘Philistines! You’re all Philistines!’ It made it doubly funny having to go to the school library to look up what it meant,” Hollow laughs.
Sand Pebbles launch their new album at the Northcote Social Club on Saturday September 24. Dark Magic is out now through Dot Dash/Remote Control.

